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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:07:00 -
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I think it's possible that the new bounty system could be the saviour of EvE.
The two main complaints about high-sec right now are; 1. Suicide ganking isn't profitable enough for the effort. 2. High-sec players get too much isk for too little reward.
A further complaint is that the game has too few ISK sinks.
With the new bounty system, we will be able to place bounties of any amount on anyone, for any reason. We can force people to participate in PvP even if they pretend they don't want to. We can make ganking profitable. Even if the profits will be small (20m bounty from a Mackinaw according to Petrus Blackshell in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2067812#post2067812 ), it might be worth it just for the tears, plus loot and salvage.
Essentially, for every 20m ISK bounty you place on a miner, that miner will lose 200m isk when he is ganked. This makes it seem like high-sec mining is going to become quite a risky business and result in a lot of carebears losing a lot of ISK to gankers who just want to see them QQ.
So where does the ISK sink part come in? Well, the bounty system itself is an ISK sink. As people keep piling bounties on the miners, the bounties get higher and higher. A miner with a 200m bounty is good for 10 ganks, and what happens when a carebear miner is ganked too many times? He quits EvE, taking his bounty with him.
Every time a carebear quits EvE, they are removing ISK from the economy, thus creating the ISK sink the game needs.
It seems to me that with the new bounty system, we can save EvE by forcing players to quit with relentless ganking. The higher the bounties, the more likely they are to quit and remove those high bounties from the economy when they do.
This is why I think the new bounty system, with the proper player initiative, could save EvE. Alternatively, it could also lead to the fiery death of EvE. |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:or that the new bounty system isn't an ISK sink It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them.
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:20:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:What needs saving is these froums from people like the OP. I swear Riot Girl cries more then any 1000 high sec players.
I'm a model poster and you know it. I'm a purely positive influence on this forum . |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:20:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:I Will Save you all. Thanks Alice :D
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:It is when people quit the game and take your ISK with them. No. Partly because the ISK isn't gone, and partly because it has nothing to do with bounties. Either way, it's not a sink. Yeah, okay. Thanks for your insight. |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:27:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:Sometimes you don't need to read the first sentence, but the last sentence to identify the quality of a post.
Thanks, I take pride in my work. |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:36:00 -
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dethleffs wrote:But that goes for the isk in an account itself too. Of course that would be an isk sink, but it hasnt got anything to do with bounties primarily Unless the bounties become a large cause of people quitting. |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:45:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:Let's say ALOT of miners quit cause of this, then CCP has a meeting and says, hey guys, I think that whole bounty thing, well, you know, we're losing money. Retribution 1.1 release notes: Mining barges no longer reward bounties.
Then miners resub, they stlil have the isk, since it was never removed.
I'm not trying to insinuate that miners will unsub en masse due to bounties, I only used this as an example since it was the first thing that came to mind.
Well I can't predict the future, I can only speculate with the information we currently have. |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:47:00 -
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Ilnaurk Sithdogron wrote:Actually, carebears make a lot of the items that the EVE economy is based on. Get rid of the carebears, and the game goes down the tubes. Someone has to make the cheaper ships, you can't always depend on the nullsec alliances to supply stuff. Yeah, that's something that seems to bother a lot of players. I've never really cared about that much.
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:47:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:I just want to point out that you are still not going to be able to place bonties on people with a high sec rating.
No it's not mentioned.
The evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence. I thought you could place a bounty on any player with any sec rating. Wasn't that one of the main features of the new system?
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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:51:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:That's like saying, I have 100 million in my wallet, I dont' plan to spend this because I want to help the eve economy, but I"m not sure if I can manage to keep this isk in my wallet. I dont think we would call this an isk sink, because you can't predict the future.
No, it's like saying, "I have 100 million in my wallet, I'm going to place a bounty on another player, hopefully encouraging them to quit the game and remove my isk from the economy". |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 16:52:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:But why do you want people quitting? CCP doesn't need the revenue? What real life corporation would be happy with loosing customers/subscribers?
I don't want people to quit. That would be mean! |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 17:18:00 -
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I'm going to buy as many cheap kill rights as I can. You never know when it might pay off if you see someone flying something tasty. |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 17:19:00 -
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Dar Manic wrote:"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."
Concord is still effect then??? :)
If the player isn't flagged as a legal target, yes. |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 17:27:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:a) Its not an isk sink. It comes back b) Anyone can clear any bounty on themselves by suspending their account for 6 months. If you choose to do this, be sure to enter "To clear an undesired bounty" on the form CCP gives you when you suspend your account.
Well that sucks. Either way, I don't think anyone cares about single handedly saving the economy as long as they're having fun and making eachother miserable. |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 17:28:00 -
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Dar Manic wrote:"Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where."
It appears you don't put bounties on someone you want to grief and then your friends can kill them in hi-sec. This indicates you don't gain the right to legally attack in hi-sec just because of the bounty. :)
Yes, that's right. Thanks for your input.
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Posted - 2012.11.01 17:37:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:Perhaps the bounty system will have the complete opposite affect?
Seems to me that miners would love to have those bumping stabbers blown to bits.
If griefing miners starts to become something that can earn you a bounty, perhaps it will thin the miner hater herd?
I'm not sure if it's profitable to suicide gank a stabber. The reward is only 500k.
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Posted - 2012.11.01 17:52:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:How exactly is griefing players until they unsub going to "save" EVE? I'm not going to answer this question. Instead I'm going to ask you if you think people will really unsub if they are ganked for their bounties? If you feel they will, what kind of player do you think they would be? |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 18:41:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I know people are going to rage over the bounty system, hell that's exactly what the OP is already doing,
they'll just rush to the forums and cry that they're going to quit if CCP doesn't make it so that bounties can't be placed on them. I expect the OP to be one of those people.
If you say so. |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:03:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Pretty sure that's exactly what I did, and what you're doing.
Pretty sure you're reading into things way to deeply.
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:07:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:A bounty doesn't generate a free for all flag, it generates a contract that someone has to accept in order to shoot that person. It means that if I'm flying around with a bounty you don't have the right to shoot me until you accpt the bounty contract.
I think you're confusing bounties with kill rights.
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:14:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Are you trying to say that you can't shoot people in high sec with a bounty on them? Because I'm pretty sure that's not right, seeing as they removed the need to pod; seeing as you can't pod anyone in high sec.
You can shoot anyone you want but if they're not a legal target, you will be concorded. Having a bounty doesn't make a player a legal target, neither does accepting a bounty to kill them. |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:32:00 -
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Oaiso wrote:goon with a hardon over ganking miners He doesn't PvP.
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Posted - 2012.11.01 21:01:00 -
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Is that post directed at me? |

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Posted - 2012.11.01 21:50:00 -
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Bodega Cat wrote:"After the break; Eve needs saving?
More compelling news, at 11."
Originally the thread was going to be called 'Will the new bounty system save high-sec?' but then I decided it affected a wider area so I changed high-sec to EvE.
Calden De'Altos wrote:I love these people who keep trying to fit their square peg in CCP's circle hole. What is that supposed to mean? Are you implying the new bounty system isn't designed to encourage ganking? |
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